Astrology, R.G.Krishnan, Vedic Astrology

Politicians & The Mysterious ‘CSP Arc’ By R. G. Krishnan, USA

Introduction:

This issue of Saptarishis Astrology Magazine being the memorial issue in honor of my Guru late Mr.C.S.Patel, I chose to write  this article on a subject which was dear to him while he was alive, which I think will serve as the best homage to his memory & to his pioneering work on Nadi astrology.

Way back in the year 1988, I used to meet Mr.C.S.Patel on every weekend, wherein he would discuss the principles enunciated in Chandra Kala Nadi, Dhruva Nadi and many other Nadi literature. In particular he used emphasize about the results of transit of Rahu & Ketu over the “Sun-Mercury-Venus arc” in any natal horoscope.

I do not recollect the exact verse quoted by him in this regard which was from some Nadi literature but the essence of that verse was that whenever Rahu transits over the ‘Sun-Mercury-Venus’ arc in any Natal chart some good results accrue to the native like monetary gains, career advancement etc and similarly whenever Ketu transits over this arc some adverse results will accrue to the native like loss of money, loss of position, involvement in scandals etc.

Way back in the year 1988 Late Mr. Patel wanted me to test these principles by applying them to the horoscopes of near and dear ones known to me and give him my honest opinion. When I actually did check up on the charts of all near and dear ones in whose cases I had full knowledge of past events with dates, I felt greatly excited to find that these principles were holding true in at least 80% of the cases.  When I narrated this happy experience to him, he told me to write an article on this subject and soon thereafter I wrote one article entitled ‘Transit of Rahu & Ketu & the fortunes of politicians in the Dec 1988 issue of the ‘Times of Astrology’, published from Delhi, India.

Subsequent to the publication of this article, we used to discuss on several occasions in our weekly meetings verses from different Nadi literature. Of and on Mr.Patel used to caution me by saying that the various verses in Nadi literature convey the meaning in a cryptic manner and it was expected of an intelligent

astrologer to read the verses between the lines & understand the import of the deeper meaning conveyed in these verses.

He used to say that it was his experience that after going over the verses again and again, that these verses revealed more meanings to him than what was superficially understood by him in the first reading.

For example he used to say that in this instant case although the Nadi verse mentioned the good effects arising out of transit of  Rahu treating it as a benefic and the adverse effects arising out of transit of Ketu treating it as a malefic, he felt strongly after many times reading the verse that we should also consider the deeper meaning by applying these principles to transits of other benefic planets  like Jupiter etc  for evaluation of good results and also  apply these principles to transits of other  malefic planets  like  Saturn & Mars  for evaluation of adverse results. I have since been following this advice of late Mr. Patel.

The biggest advantage of these principles lie in the fact that these principles can be applied to natives in whose case date of birth is known but the time of birth is not known. This is due to the fact that the we can cast their natal chart based on the date of birth and assumed time of birth and we will still find that the “Sun—Mercury—Venus” arc is available to a good degree of accuracy in these natal charts (in the absence of accurate time of birth and place of birth). This is due to the fact that Sun, Mercury and Venus move by one degree in 24 hrs and as such any error in the time of birth is not likely to affect the accuracy of this arc. Except 2-3 charts, all the charts of politicians presented in this article their time of birth is not too sure hence by normal Parashari methods one would be in doldrums whereas the method below can be applied successfully.

In fact, I had applied these principles in the last 20 yrs to a few of my clients who knew only their date of birth and did not know the time of their birth. In all such cases I could guide them successfully about the future events based on transits over the “Sun—Mercury—Venus arc” of their respective natal charts. These snapshot predictions were given by me without  considering other factors like the Dasas, Antar dasas, Divisional charts and the Ashtaka Varga charts but my forecast was  based only on transits of Benefics and Malefics over the “Sun—Mercury—Venus  arc”.

  • Over the last 20 years I found that transits of even fast moving planets like Mercury & Venus over the arc also give favorable results during the duration of the transit.
  • Sometimes Mercury due to retrogression will stay on the arc for longer duration and during such periods benefits had accrued to the native during the entire period of transit.
  • I also found that the favorable results also accrue to the native if the benefic planets transit by aspect over the ‘Sun-Mercury-Venus Arc’. For example, Rahu and Jupiter can transit over the arc by their 5th or 7th or 9th house aspect. Similarly malefics like Saturn gave adverse results by aspecting the arc (3rd,7th & 10th house aspects) and Mars gave adverse results by 4th,7th and 8th house aspects over the arc.
  • I would like to add that the transit directly over the arc appears to give better results as compared to transit over the arc by aspect.
    In some cases, I found that both favorable transits by benefic planets and adverse transits by malefic planets over the arc occurred simultaneously. In such cases, I found that if the benefic planets transits were more in number as compared to transits of malefic planets then the benefits did accrue to the native and vice versa.

In my opinion, these principles offer a wide field for further research by young scientific minded astrologers. Hence, I would request these younger scientific minded astrologers to do further research in this regard to further develop and take these principles to the next level.

To make the above points clear I have  discussed  below horoscopes of top political leaders  in whose case both good and bad events are available on record with precise dates and this helped to correlate them with the transits over the ‘Sun—Mercury—Venus arc’ in their respective natal charts. Hereafter, let designate this arc as ‘CSP Arc’ for the purpose of this article as a gesture to honor my late beloved Guru Sri C. S. Patel.

What is ‘CSP Arc’

The arc in the zodiac in which Sun Mercury & Venus are placed in any natal chart is called ‘CSP Arc’. We astrologers know that the planets Sun, Mercury and Venus move very close to each other and in that process the distance between Sun & Mercury will vary between 0 & 28 degrees and the distance between Sun & Venus will vary between 0 and 48 degrees. Thus, the maximum length of the “CSP Arc” in any natal chart will be 28+48=76 degrees. This arc will normally spread over three zodiacal signs & in some cases over two zodiacal signs and in some rare cases will be in one zodiacal sign only.

As per the Nadi principle the effect of the transiting planets is expected to commence when the planets  transit this arc directly on the degree of the arc  or  aspect this arc on the exact degree of the arc, but late Mr. Patel had observed that in many cases the effects start once the planet transit or aspect  the zodiacal sign in which either, Sun or Mercury or Venus was placed and the effects continued until the planet finished the transit or aspect of the zodiacal sign in which Sun or Mercury or Venus was placed. I had also found this observation of late Mr. Patel holding true in all cases of my clients.

Former President Mr. Mikhail Gorbachev

In case of former President Mikhail Gorbachev’s horoscope, the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from 26deg Capricorn to 24 Aquarius. Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following.

  • He joined communist party in 1952. In that year Rahu was in Aquarius until June and then moved over to Capricorn, thus it directly transited over ‘CSP Arc’ for the whole year.
  •  He became president of Soviet Union in the year 1989. In that year transit Rahu was in Aquarius & thus it was directly on the ‘CSP Arc’ for the whole year. Transit Jupiter was in Gemini sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there from July 2, 1989 that year until July 1990.
  • In the year 1991, he resigned as president Of Soviet Union. In that year transit Ketu aspected the ‘CSP Arc ‘from Gemini from Apr 1991 to Oct 1992. Transit Saturn was directly on the ‘CSP Arc ‘from March21 1991 to June 1995.

CSP ArcFormer President Mr. Bill Clinton

In former president Bill Clinton’s natal chart it is seen that the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Cancer 14 deg 29 min to Virgo 18 deg 0 min. Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following:

  • He was elected Governor of Arkansas for the first time in the year 1978. In that year transit Rahu transited directly over the ‘CSP Arc’ (the transit actually was from May 1977 onwards until Nov 1981).
  • He was elected as a Governor second term in Nov 1982. In that month transit  Rahu transited Gemini sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’.
  • He was elected as Governor for third time in 1987 .In that year transit  Rahu as well as transit Jupiter transited Pisces sign and thus aspected  the ‘CSP Arc’ from there.
  • In 1991, he was elected again as Governor of Arkansas. In that year Jupiter transited directly on the ‘CSP arc” while Rahu transited Sagittarius sign and thus aspected the “CSP arc’ from there.
  • In January 1993, he assumed office as president of USA. In that month transit Jupiter transited Virgo sign and thus was directly on the ‘CSP arc’. Transit Rahu was in Scorpio sign and from there aspected ‘CSP arc’.

CSP arc

  • In the year 1997, he assumed office again as president of USA for the second term .In that year transit Rahu transited directly Virgo sign and was thus directly  on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Jupiter was in Capricorn sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there.
  • In the years 1998&99, he was subjected to impeachment hearings During that time transit Saturn transited Pisces sign until  Apr 18 1998  and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’. However, simultaneously Rahu transited Leo sign and was thus directly on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Jupiter was in Aquarius sign and it thus transited the ‘CSP Arc’ by aspect. May be due to these predominant plus points the outcome of the impeachment hearings went in his favor.

Former PM Mr. Winston Churchill

  • In former PM Mr. Churchill’s horoscope, the ‘CSP arc’ extends from Libra 25 deg 29 min to Scorpio 29 deg 55 min. Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following:
  • He was elected as Prime Minister of UK in 1940 .In that year transit Jupiter was in Aries sign and thus had 7th house aspect over the ‘CSP Arc’. Further in that year transit Rahu was directly over the ‘CSP Arc’ until the end of January and after that date transit Rahu moved out of the ‘CSP arc’ but transit   Ketu was in Pisces sign and thus aspected the  transited ‘CSP arc’ from there.
  • He was elected again in 1951 as Prime Minister. In that year transit Rahu & transit Jupiter were in Aquarius sign thus both benefic planets aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there.
  • On April 5, 1955, he resigned as Prime Minister. On that day transit Ketu was at 6 degrees in Gemini sign and thus aspected ‘CSP Arc’ from there and transit Saturn was directly over the ‘CSP Arc’ at 26 degrees Libra. Transit Mars was at 2 degrees 43 min in Taurus and thus aspected the “CSP Arc’ from there.

CSP Arc

Former PM Mrs. Margaret Thatcher

  • In former PM Mrs. Margaret Thatcher’s horoscope, the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Virgo 26 deg 41 min to Scorpio 9 deg 15 min. Analyzing the events in her life, we have the following:
  • In 1959, she was elected to parliament for the first time .In that year transit Rahu transited Virgo sign & was directly on the ‘CSP Arc”.
  • In 1961, she was appointed the Joint Secretary to the Ministry of pensions. In that year transit Rahu was in Leo sign until Nov 9 and then moved over to Cancer sign. Thus it aspected ‘CSP Arc” from Cancer sign. Transit Jupiter was in Capricorn sign from Feb 11, 1961 and remained in that sign for the whole year thus transited the ‘CSP Arc’ by aspect.
  • She held the portfolio of minister of education in the years 1970 to 1974 .In the years 1970, 1971 & until Sep 1972 transit Rahu transited Aquarius and Capricorn signs and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’. Again, from March 20 1974 transit Rahu was in Scorpio sign and thus it transited directly the ‘CSP arc’ in that year.
  • She became Prime Minister on 5-4-1979. On that day transit Jupiter was in Cancer sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Further transit Mercury and Venus were in Aries thus they also aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there. Transit Saturn was in Leo and aspected ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Ketu was in Aquarius and aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Thus, the positive transits outnumbered the negative transits on that day, enabling her to become PM.
  • In 1982, she became prime Minister for the second term .In that year transit Rahu was in Gemini sign and thus aspected ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Jupiter was in Libra and thus was directly on the ‘CSP Arc

CSP Arc

  • On 11/22/1990, she resigned her Prime Minister position. On that day transit Ketu was in Cancer sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Mars was in Taurus sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Saturn was in Sagittarius sign and aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there.

Former PM Mrs. Indira Gandhi

Former PM Mrs. Indira Gandhi

  • In former PM Mrs. Indira Gandhi’s horoscope, ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Scorpio 4 deg 07 min to Sagittarius 21 deg 00 min.  Analyzing the events in her life, we have the following:
  • In the year 1966, she became Prime Minister of India. In that year transit Rahu was in Taurus sign until July and from August onwards it was in Aries sign and thus it was continuously aspecting the ‘CSP Arc’ from these signs for the whole year. Transit Jupiter was in sign Gemini until August 23 and thereafter moved over to Cancer sign for the rest of the year and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from these signs for the whole year.
  • She was assassinated on Oct 31, 1984. On that day transit Mars transited was in Sagittarius sign and was thus directly on ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Saturn was in Libra sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there. Transit Ketu in Scorpio sign and was thus on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Jupiter was in Sagittarius and was directly on ‘CSP Arc’.

Former PM Mr. Tony Blair

In the former PM Mr. Tony Blair’s horoscope, ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Pisces  21 deg 49 min to Aries 22 deg 10 min. Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following:

Former PM Mr. Tony Blair

  • In 1994, he became leader of the labor party. In that year transit  Rahu was in Scorpio sign until June 9 and afterwards moved over to Libra sign for the rest of  that year and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Jupiter was in Libra sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there.
  • In May 1997, he became Prime Minister of UK. In that year transit, Rahu was in Virgo and thus aspected ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Mercury was in Aries directly over the ‘CSP Arc’ and transit, Venus was also in Aries until May 6 and then moved over to Taurus & thus it was directly on the ‘CSP Arc on that day. Transit Ketu was in Pisces 4 degrees and thus was on the “CSP arc’. Transit Saturn was in Pisces 20 degrees to 23 degrees in May 1997. Thus, the positive & negative indications appeared to be balanced in May, 1997. In his case since Saturn was a yoga karaka and also the lord of his Rasi, the evil effects of Saturn appear to have been diluted, thus enabling him to become PM in the month of May 1997.
  • In June 2007, he resigned from PM position. In that month transit Saturn was in Cancer & from there aspected ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Ketu was in Leo sign and from there aspected the ‘CSP Arc’.

President Mr. George.W.Bush

In President Mr. George.W.Bush’s horoscope, the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Gem 20 deg 40 min to Can 28 deg 28 min.  Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following.

  • He was elected as Governor of Texas in 1994. In that year transit Rahu transit was in Libra sign for the whole year & thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from Libra. Transit Jupiter was in Libra until Nov 12 and then moved over to Scorpio and thus aspected ‘CSP Arc’ for the whole year from these two signs

CSP Arc’

  • He was re-elected as Governor in 1998 for the second term. In that year transit Rahu was in Leo sign until Dec 17 and then moved over to Cancer sign & was thus directly over the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Jupiter transited Capricorn sign until Jan 8 and then moved over to Aquarius sign and remained there for the whole year thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from these two signs for the whole year.
  • He was sworn in as president of USA on Jan 21, 2001. On that date transit Rahu transited Gemini sign and thus was directly over the ‘CSP arc’. Transit Mercury was in Capricorn and thus aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there.

Ex- President Mr. Richard Nixon

In Ex-President Mr. Richard Nixon’s horoscope, the ‘CSP arc’ extends from Sagittarius 7 deg 22 min to Aquarius 10 deg 50 min. Analyzing the events in his life, we have the following.

  • He was elected Vice President on 11-4-1952. On that day transit Jupiter was in Aries sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Rahu was in Capricorn sign and was thus directly on the ‘CSP arc’.
  • He lost his election in 1960 against John .F. Kennedy. In that year transit Ketu was in Aquarius from May that year and thus was directly on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Saturn was in Sagittarius for the whole year and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ for the whole year.
  • He won as President again on 11-5-68 by narrow margin. On that date transit Jupiter was in Virgo sign & thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Ketu was also in Virgo sign & thus it also aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there Transit Saturn was in Pisces sign and from there it aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there (perhaps these minus points was a pointer indicating that turbulent times lay ahead for him). CSP Arc.
  • He won the election again for the second term in Nov 1972. In that year transit Rahu & transit Jupiter both were in Sagittarius sign and thus both were directly on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Ketu was in Gemini and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Saturn was in Taurus sign and it aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there (perhaps these minus points indicated that major adverse developments in store for the Presidency down the road).
  • On 8-9-1974, President Nixon resigned as President USA due to developments connected with Watergate scandal. On that day transit Ketu was in Taurus sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Mars was in Leo sign and thus it aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Saturn was in Gemini sign and thus it aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there.Transit Saturn was in Pisces

Ex PM Mr. Morarji Desai

In ex PM Morarji Desai’shoroscope the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from Capricorn 14 deg 32 min to Aquarius 17 deg 51 min. Analyzing the events in his life, it is observed that:

  • He became the Prime Minister of India on March 24 1977. On that day transit Rahu was in Libra sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Jupiter was in Taurus sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Saturn was in Cancer and thus it aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Mars was in Aquarius and was thus directly on the ‘CSP Arc’ (perhaps the two minus points indicated potential problems down the road for his PM position).
  • On July 28 1979, he resigned as Prime minister due to adverse political developments. On that day Transit Ketu transited Aquarius sign and was thus directly on the ‘CSP Arc’. Transit Saturn was in Leo sign and thus aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there

CSP Arc

Ex-President Nelson Mandela

This is the what was confirmed a tough chart as his time of birth is still not certain and if one goes by the various times floating around then we would get several lagnas to play with.

RoddenRating: DD

Source Notes: Frances McEvoy reported that her son and daughter-in-law spent a summer in South Africa with the Kennedy Foundation as lawyers.  During an afternoon in the entourage of Mandela, they asked his birth time and were told “afternoon.”  Noel Tyl wrote in May/1994 that he rectified the afternoon time with extremely taxing detail to 2:54 PM, then shared his documentation with Rod Suskin, a well-known South African astrologer who responded with “a veritable catalogue of reinforcement for the time.” South African astrologer Anita Noyes-Smith has a friend in Mandela’s office who checked for a time and found that there is no known time of birth.  Umtata is a rural area and blacks had no birth certificates.  Often, they did not even know the date, as it was not valued as important. (Formerly, Noel Tyl had speculated 8:45 AM, given in

Noel Tyl

 

AFANews 1/1994.  Daniela Schmuckli had a spec time of 12:45 PM in Astrolog 6/1996.    Anita Noyes-Smith speculated 2:12 AM.)

 

In former President Nelson Mandela’s horoscope, the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from 29 deg 35 min Taurus to 23 deg 02 min Cancer. He became the first black President of South Africa on May 9 1994. On that day transit Rahu was in Scorpio sign and aspected the ‘CSP Arc’ from there. Transit Jupiter was in Libra sign and aspected the ‘CSP arc’ from there.

How Are The Transits Likely To Play Out In The Us Elections Due In Nov 2008?

After reading the above, the readers will certainly be curious to learn about the possible outcome, based on transits over ‘CSP Arc’ in the US elections due on Nov 4, 2008. Let us see the transits in Mr. Obama’s and Mr. McCain’s natal charts.

 Mr. Barack Obama, Presidential Candidate – US Elections

US Elections

As seen from Mr. Obama’s natal chart the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from 8 deg 29 min Gemini to 19 deg 14 min Cancer.

On Nov 4, 2008, transit Ketu will be at 20 deg 15 min in Cancer. Thus it will be directly on the ‘CSP Arc’. It is also seen that Transit Rahu & Transit Jupiter will aspect the ‘CSP arc”. Further transit Moon will be in Uttarashada Nakshatra and will thus transit the “CSP arc” .Transit Saturn will be in Leo and thus will be outside the “CSP arc”

Thus there are both positive and negative indications but the positive indications appear to outnumber the negative indications.

Mr. John McCain, Presidential Candidate 2008 US Elections

US Elections chart

In Mr. John McCain’s natal chart the ‘CSP Arc’ extends from 9 deg 17 min Virgo to 13 deg 02 min Leo.

  1. On Nov 4 2008, transit Jupiter will be at 23 deg 10 min in Sagittarius and will thus aspect the ‘CSP Arc’.
  2. Transit Rahu will be at 20 deg 15 min in Capricorn and will thus aspect the ‘CSP Arc’ from there.
  3. Transit Saturn will be at 24 deg 56 min in Leo and will be directly on the ‘CSP Arc’.

Thus, there will be two positive indications and one negative indication in his case.

Disclaimer:
Note
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The following conclusions are based on planetary transits and on the principles of Vedic Astrology. It is advised that no fatalistic view be taken of these conclusions.

Possible Outcome of the US elections:

The race between Mr. Obama & Mr. McCain is likely to be a neck to neck race until the last moment. However Mr. Obama appears to have an edge over Mr. McCain and appears to have a better chance to win the elections due on Nov 4, 2008

 

 

Conclusion from the above article:

 

It will be seen from the above that transits of Rahu and other benefic planets over the ‘CSP Arc’ in any natal Horoscope do indicate that some favorable developments & benefits are likely to  accrue to the Native  while the transits of Ketu and other malefic planets do indicate that the native will be prone to some adverse developments, setbacks etc. Thus, these transits can serve as an additional basis for prognostication based on transits alone.

Further in case of natives whose time of birth is not available the transits over the ‘CSP Arc’ on their natal chart made with assumed time of birth can be used to determine the favorable and adverse developments that are likely in their life and the period in which they are indicated to a fair degree of accuracy.

Saptarishis Astrology’s Request:

This is a research that is commendable and must be carried forward. Can we request true students of this science from various countries to kindly mail us systemized data in excel sheet containing for their country tabulating the election dates, candidate’s data and election results to test this mega-research with an open mind. If someone wishes to test it on his or her countries election results and present an article, even if the results are contrary, we do not mind publishing it in the spirit of further learning. Even if we get 75% success ratio out of Sri Krishnan’s Research it will a valid repeatable pattern.

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