Sage Gautama’s Vidyashram BY Shri A v sundaram

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Gautama Maharishi is one of the Saptarishis   of the current Manvantara (seventh). He was one of the Maharishis of Vedic times, known to have been the discoverer of Mantras — ‘Mantra-drashtaa’, in Sanskrit. The Rig Veda has several suktas (Sanskrit: ‘hymns’) that go with his name. He was the son of Rahugana, belonging to the line of Angiras. The Devi Bhagavatam says that the river Godavari is so named because of its association with Gautama. He had two sons by name Vamadeva and Nodhas, both themselves discoverers of Mantras. There is a hymn called Bhadra in the Sama Veda which again is ascribed to Gautama Maharishi.

Guru: Shri A v sundaram

S A.V. Sundaram, now 70 years is a retired mechanical engineer who worked in educational institutions. He is a student Jyotish since 35 years and was closely associated with Mr. C.S. Patel. As one of the founding members of ICAS some 25 years ago, he gave astrology classes along with Dr. B.V. Raman and acts in quality of ICAS’s National Joint Secretary till today. He is an instructor in Nadi astrology and currently conducts classes while also being pledged to research.  Mr. Sundaramji’s keenness rests in bridging the scientific outlook of astrology with its philosophical aspect since Jyotish is based on rebirth – he aims at linking astrology’s modern application with ancient perceptions.  He is lives in Secunderabad, A.P. 

Jataka Tatva Commentary

from Saptarishis AstrologyExplained in conversation with student Andree Leclerc, Canada

Questions from Saptarishi Astrology:

  • Shasta Viveka, Verse 3

If the Lords of both the 4H and 11H be inimical to the Lord of the Lagna the native will hate his mother.

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

This is a very general statement because there are only few Lagnas for which, by nature, the 4L becomes inimical.  Then, you also have to see the 11L – both should be there.  So if you put a chart, which are the Lagnas that have both as inimical?  You will find it very limited.

Let’s work it out…          

  1. Mesha, 4L Moon is not inimical – 11L is Saturn, inimical so it becomes neutral
  2. Vrishabha, 4L Sun is inimical and so is Jupiter the 11L – chances are increased
  3. Mithuna, 4L is same Lord, Mercury and Mars is inimical – so, neutral
  4. Karka, Venus –4L and 11L is Venus and they are OK
  5. Simha, 4L Mars is friendly and 11L is Mercury which is neutral – fine
  6. Kanya, yes, 4L – Jupiter and Mercury don’t get along – and 11L Moon is inimical – so for Kanya Lagna, hating the mother is a possibility
  7. Thula, 4L Saturn is friendly and 11L Sun is inimical – so, neutral
  8. Vrishika, 4L Saturn is not friendly and 11L Mercury is inimical. Moreover, this is where the Moon becomes neecha – Vrishika is a problem
  9. Dhanur, 4L is himself (Jupiter) and 11L Venus only is inimical – so, neutral
  10. Makara, 4L Mars is neutral but is 11L also – Makara can be because both are Mars
  11. Kumbha, 4L Venus is friend and 11L Jupiter is enemy – so, neutral
  12. Meena, 4L Mercury is inimical and 11L Saturn is also enemy – problems are a possibility


To summarize these, we’ll say that the potential problematic Lagnas are Vrishika and Meena along with Vrishabha, Kanya and Makara – all the earth signs and 2 water signs. 

“Hating” is a very strong word to be used.  So we must see exactly what the Rishi said – the Sanskrit word must be known.  It could be that the native with such position may not get the affection of the mother or he may not be able to show affection to the mother.  In addition to that, the location of the Lagna Lord and the 4L also play an important role.  If the Lagna Lord is in trikona to the 4L that’s very favorable for the native’s relationship with his mother. If the Lagna Lord and 4L are in 6/8/12, they may not get along.  So we can’t totally accept this statement of the Rishi as dicta because what is important for any relative is to see the sukha or happiness one will receive from that relative and this is seen from the karaka; Moon is a karaka for mother.  If the 4H from the mother – Moon – contains a benefic, the man gets happiness from his mother – if a malefic is present we can naturally expect the reverse – while no planet in the 4H makes it neutral.  Let’s note here that the tenant of a house is more important than its owner so a planet present should come first in our considerations.  Therefore, we should judge in reference to the karaka and location of the Lagna Lord and 4L rather than giving a blanket statement for this dicta. 

          I am myself an example of Moon in 8H from the Lagna.  Due to this position, I could not be with my mother, I had to be away from her because of foreign education etc. etc. (of course, I am speaking here from the context of being born in India where boys live with their parents all their life).  So, with Moon in 6/8/12 from the Lagna, you’re destined to have your mother away from you.  My Lagna Lord, placed in the 4H, is looking at my natal Moon in the 8H so that means I am friendly with her but I could not be with her because of my working. 

To sum this up: what you get from the Lagna is Fate – not necessarily your choice; and what you get from the Lagna Lord is your desire, your free-will.

Shasta Viveka, Verse 15

If Saturn conjoined with Ketu occupy the 7H, the native will experience trouble through boils etc. (in the anus)

Query from Saptarishis Astrology:

  1. Why Saturn and Ketu
  2. Why boils
  3. Why 7H when 8H is taken for anus, also in previous shloka Scorpio is given for anus
  4. What is the general consideration an astrologer has to make when Saturn conjoins with Ketu in any house?

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

Saturn and Ketu are the planets which talk of the karma of a person.  The results of karma are Saturn, Mars and the NodesBoil is a disease coming out of karma.  Saturn represents anything which is the end – for the body, Saturn is the skin because of its position as the last planet.  Ketu also tells of the end but more in the context of a tail.  In the human body, anus is one of the ends – while the mouth as the main entry is represented by Rahu. Ketu will be the end of any portion of the anatomy taken – ex: if you take the head, the end is the feet – so that could be the reason why Saturn/Ketu was given.  Boils are only obtained on karma basis – there is supposed to be a growth.  Shani also represents Rahu and Rahu also talks of boils and their growth. Shani is treated as Rahu.

Saturn/Ketu combination shows the house where man will bear his Cross.  The greatest sorrow to go through and the greatest loss are supposed to be where Sat/Ketu is placedSaturn shows the place where you have restrictions; Ketu shows the place where you’re loosing something.  But here again, we need to consider who is ahead and who is behind – that’s very important.  Moreover, we have to see if Saturn is Vakri (retrograde).  The Rashi chart is the result of our past life and, when a planet is Vakri, this shows that there remains unfinished karma from the past that must be completed in this life – therefore, there can be no blanket results for Sat/Ketu in a house. 

Additionally, Sat/Ketu need to be seen considering the totality of the horoscope in reference to the Lagna Lord and Sat/Ketu’s dispositor. In some cases, Saturn himself may be the dispositor of Rahu or Ketu – if Saturn is dispositor of Rahu that is very dangerous, if Saturn is Ketu’s dispositor it’s OK.  So, dispositor of Rahu/Ketu is an important factor, the location of the Lagna Lord in reference to that needs to be considered; therefore, giving a blanket result for Sat/Ketu would not be suitable. The consideration would be to check the dispositor of Rahu/Ketu, check whether Sat is the Lagna Lord or is Lord of the 6/8/12; if it is 8L then we should also see whether Ketu is joining or separating from SaturnIf it is separating from it, the Karma is past.  If it is going to join, then care must be taken.

But this combination is also said, on a philosophical level, to combine karma with a yogi/Rishi because Ketu is a Rishiso this man should have been influenced by a Rishi in his past life and Rishis tend to lose things; consequently, this man has to accept losing things for his own benefit  – he will be having losses which will, in turn, give him realizations – self-realization or whatever you call it; this is more a spiritual combination – a karma planet combining with jnana knowledge, and is more for spiritual activities. The first point you have to see is the house where they are placed – has he lost that particular relative?  Supposing Sat/Ketu are in the 4H, if he has lost his mother in the early days, then that planet is not powerful, the effect of the planet is lost.  If it is in the 9H and he has not lost his father then the planet is very powerful for giving results.  If it is in the 3H and he has lost a brother, fine it will not damage him so much. The loss of the relative in the house where these 2 are placed is the first consideration.  If you have lost somebody then you don’t have much to worry; if you have not lost a relative signified by that house, then you have to take care because this will give you losses in your personal life.

Ketu was given 7 years dasha as it is linked to the 7 Rishis (the Saptarishis).  When Saturn is in trine to Ketu, it therefore connects the person’s karma with a Rishi.

Rahu for his worth has been attributed 18 years dasha due to its link with the 18 siddha purushas.  With Saturn in trine to Rahu, the person’s karma is linked to a Siddha Purusha.


  • Dasama Viveka, verse 69

If the Moon and Sun occupy the 9th house, the death of the father will occur in water

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

See, first of all Sun in 9H is in the house of father and Sun is the karaka.  Moon is the 12L to the Sun’s sign Simha and the 12L generally speaks of getting away from the family. 12H is 9th from 4th – your regular residence is the 4H, where you stay.  9th from there is away from your home which is 12H – this could be hospital, prison, abroad…  When you say death in water, death normally cannot occur in water in the house – it needs to be away from the house. Again, death could only be given by the drekkanas – here he takes only karakas in consideration based on karaka Sun being in his own house with the 12L.  Let’s consider this logic: Sun is in the 9H and Moon is the 12th Lord from the Sun’s natural sign of Simha.  Such a Moon is also in the 9H which means that Moon occupies the 10H from his own position taken to be Karka, the 12H from Simha. So the 12L being in the 9H means the 12L is in the 10H from his house in all probabilities. Therefore, from the Moon’s vantage point, it is treated as being in the 10H from its own house and it means that Moon becomes more powerful to give the effect.  Here again, this could be subject for verification.

We’ll also mention that Sun conjunct Moon is Amavasya or the New Moon which is a longevity factor for a shorter life – besides, this is said to be a combination where the native has some unhappiness concerning his/her parents.


  • Dasama Viveka, Verse 175

If the Sun be exalted and conjoined with a strong Saturn, the person will become a king   

Query from Saptarishis Astrology:

  1. Saturn will be neecha if Sun is exalted so how will Saturn be strong
  2. Are there other considerations to be seen for Saturn’s strength, if so what exactly; please guide how a young astrologer should see it.

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

This is more an abstract theory.  Because Sun is exalted means kingly power – Saturn is masses.  So Saturn will be neecha if conjunct exalted Sun.  The dicta in words needs to be rechecked – according to Nadi, joining is also in trikona. If Sun is exalted, Saturn could be in the sign of Sagittarius which is a kingly house – or in Simha which again can give kingly power.  So this conjoined need not be necessarily in the same house – this should be treated as sambhanda.  There are six types of sambhandas and it may not be limited to conjunction alone. Saturn represents the masses, the discipline and Sun represents the authority by virtue of heredity – a king –
Sun does not become a king in modern times.  Sun is father and father’s father so what you are getting by heredity is Sun. The person must be born in a king’s family with Saturn being the masses.  A person born in a king’s family with Saturn being strong, the support of the masses and the discipline can make him a powerful king.  Basically, the public is 4H.  If Sun is in the 10H, in his own house, the house of Mars’ exaltation – and Saturn is in the house of Cancer, the 4th sign of the masses where Jupiter gets exalted, this might be more powerful.  So the word “conjoined” may not exactly suit.

          But another way of looking at it is, if a planet is neecha, because it is with an exalted planet, neechabhanga rajayoga can take place.  So quite likely, Saturn helps him and Saturn being neecha, the public is weak so he becomes a powerful king – that could be another way of looking at it.  Saturn neecha is a necessity because there is growth – it is the starting of the life and neecha allows growth and, when a planet is neecha, its dispositor must be in Kendra.  So if you see, the dispositor of Saturn neecha gets exalted in the 10H so Saturn neecha people are much more powerful in public life than Saturn uccha people.  Saturn uccha people are arrogant in public life. Strong does not necessarily mean by shadvargas but strong by position in reference with the Sun – that is how we can also look at it.

          ‘He will become a king’ means he is not getting it by heritage so he should become king by virtue of his own work because Saturn means the public – with a strong public support and a strong personality, this man becomes a king – which implies that Saturn giving support to the Sun is more important.  Again this is a trait – Sun is powerful, you are born to rule but again, without a planet in Simha, to be a leader will be difficult.  So if Saturn is in Simha and Sun is exalted, yes, he can become a king of the masses.


  • Stree Jataka, Verse 48

If Rahu occupies a sign of Mars identical with 7H, 8H or 12th House, the woman concerned will become a widow.

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

Widow by definition means someone who lost her husband – or one who lost her virginity, as simple as that. Rahu is an alien planet; 7H representing the relationship, Mars is the husband or male partner if you will.  Again the 12H is the house of bed comforts and again Mars is a separative planet – Sun, Mars, Rahu are separative planets; wherever they are placed, they separate you from the bhavain the 7H, you are separated in your physical relationship; in 8H you are separated from your marriage Contract; and, if in the 12H you are separated from your bed comforts.  So a woman’s relationship with her husband or partner, the Contract with him – how long the relationship lasts and how long she enjoys the relationship (12H) – all this gets broken by 7 units of time – 7 months, 7 years or 7 cycles due to Mars’ influence as Mars denotes 7 – anything to do with Mars is 7 days, 7 years… 

Also, Mars and its signs are separative; Rahu is also a separative planet… 7 years after the marriage.  Mars is the physical relationship of a woman.

So more likely she isn’t a widow in the sense of husband’s death but that means she loses her sexual partner first. The word widow represents her physical sexual partner that she will lose first – that’s what’s important.

  • Stree Jataka, Verse 52

If the 7H and the Lagna be occupied by malefic planets, the woman concerned will become widow in the 7th year after marriage.

Query from Saptarishis Astrology:

  1. Logic of the above verse
  2. Why 7th year after marriage

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

Sun, Rahu, Mars – if any of these 3 malefics have to do with Lagna or 7H, they can give separation.  In benefics, more than a malefic, if Mercury is there in reference to the Lagna or the 7H, it indicates separation.  With Mercury in the 7H, one person deserts the other person – mutually they fight, they don’t like each other – or one person may like the other person but that person being selfish leaves that first person.  With Mercury in the 7H of the wife’s chart, the husband becomes selfish and leaves the wife even if the wife is friendly with him because Mercury is aspecting the Lagna.  So Mercury’s location becomes an important factor when you talk of separation

A period of time is mentioned but there must be some missing clue – why the Rishis say after 2 years, after 7 years or 10 years.  There must be something to do with that number of years.  It could be by progression – such an important factor that will come and join a breaking point…

So for the 7 years, we are at a loss to know why 7 years, what makes it 7 years… Or it could be because of Mars which has 7 years cycles – every 7 years a change in the life of man takes place. Because something is missing somewhere in the dicta, we are not able to know – we should read that dicta in depth and figure it out.

  • Stree Jataka, Verse 68 & 69

If Mercury be in the 8th house, the female will bear only one child

If Saturn and Sun be in the 8th house, the woman concerned will be barren

Guru Shri A. V. Sundaram:

Basically, 8H is representing the uterus in a female chart; Mercury is considered to be a eunuch planet and is therefore a limited source of bearing a child.  Again, Saturn and Sun are barren – Sun is a separative planet while Saturn is a restrictive planet.

I am not in favour of taking at face value most of this, because they are very straight forward dictas which can prove wrong on a number of horoscopes. While the Rishis have given a dicta, they have not given the exceptions for that dicta and a number of cases with Mercury in the 8H can be shown to contradict this dicta – because when you talk of children it has more to do with the husband’s chart than the wife’s chart. Supposing a lady married a person who is impotent, then she must get a child by other ways – but you could always say that she will have a problem of childbearing because of fallopian tubes.  Mithuna stands for the connection portions in the body and if Mithuna is affected, then fallopian tube could be affected.  Rahu is the pathway within the uterus and, due to Rahu’s influence, obstruction problems could also manifest. 

Let’s also open a parenthesis here to mention that Mercury is the ambassador of connections within the body including such areas as the nervous system and reproductive system.

Concerning dictas, first of all we take them as right and try to explain them – we will always find some reason to justify the Rishis’ statements but we can also show horoscopes that have these combinations and still having children – that means there must be some exceptions to this kind of rules.

All astrological literatures have exceptions to the rules which are not mentioned by the Rishis because students used to get more details in gurukula.  Here we don’t have a gurukula so we depend on our own practical observations.

All Rules Have Exceptions But Exceptions Are Not The Rule